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Adorno: gay

I’ve been meaning to write this for a while, and have decided that maybe it was time to really articulate my thoughts on why I really, really hate Adorno’s work. It had something to do with his posturing toward homosexuality, and something to do with what I sensed as a certain kind of awful elitism. It is also connected with the alarming number of gay Adorno fanboy apologists I’ve run into over the last while. So I went to the library and picked up Minima Moralia, which I hadn’t actually read before (and still haven’t gotten far into).The opening line of the dedication reads :

The melancholy science from which I make this offering to my friend relates to a region that from time immemorial was regarded as the true field of philosophy, but which, since the latter’s conversion into method, has lapsed into intellectual neglect, sententious whimsy and finally oblivion: the teaching of the good life.

An astute student or, I guess, professor maybe, who wrote all over the library’s copy of this book (I actually often enjoy what other people write in books) had written, in pencil, above the word ‘melancholy’, gay. And of course, yes: In this first sentence of a dedication, Adorno takes a stance toward Nietzsche. His “melancholy science” (die traurige Wissenschaft) is in direct opposition to Nietzsche’s gay science (die fröliche Wissenschaft). Of course Adorno isn’t articulating a simple opposition here – both Adorno and Nietzsche are engaged in similar projects, “the teaching of the good life”. Rather, for Adorno, something fundamental about the world had changed since Nietzsche: Fascism had reared its artificially beblondened head.

Rather than focus directly on fascism here, though, I’d like to spend some time articulating that astute student’s one-word note: gay. As Kauffmann notes in his introduction to The Gay Science, it is “no accident that the homosexuals as well as Nietzsche opted for ‘gay’ rather than ‘cheerful’” because it “has overtones of a light-hearted defiance of convention; it suggests Nietzsche’s ‘immoralism’ and his ‘revaluation of values.’” Gay, then, I think forms one axis of a possible analysis of Adorno’s work, which lays out vertically as an opposition between Nietzsche’s joyful, light-hearted revaluation of all values and Adorno’s “melancholy science”, and horizontally as an opposition between homosexuality in its Western, twentieth-century guise with its light-hearted defiance of conventions, on the one hand, and heterosexuality and the status quo on the other.

Adorno is – the astute student was correct – gay.  Where Nietzsche took to delight, Adorno took to despair.  Where Nietzsche undermined, Adorno reinforced.  One of the things that bugs me about Adorno, which I think this introductory sentence makes clear, is that Adorno is not aiming at a Nietzschean revaluation of all values, not even the values of those systems that he claimed so ardently to oppose.  His melancholy science is one for the perpetuation of a system of values – which could be defined in several ways (Adorno’s own, fascist, bourgeois, anti-working-class, racist, homophobic) – that already exist in the world.  Where Nietzsche looked (or at least claimed to look) forward, Adorno looked back.

Though it certainly isn’t clear that Adorno looked to the golden past with an eye toward a return – he didn’t seem to think such a return was possible – it was nevertheless in the past that “technical virtuosity, at least, was demanded of singing stars”, that melody had not come “to mean eight-beat symmetrical treble melody”, that there was at least a difference in terms of reaction to Beethoven’s Seventh Symphony and a bikini.  The past, on Adorno’s analysis, was one in which fetishism had not yet come to dominate the musical (and, indeed, cultural) scene.

It is at the site of the fetish where Adorno most strongly attempts to rhetorically establish links between homosexuality, or sexual deviance more generally, and fascism.  Musical fascism, one can only surmise given Adorno’s peculiar language, becomes embodied as the homosexual rapist.  As the first part of a key to Adorno’s aggressively homophobic rhetorical construction here, I will turn to Benjamin’s “The Work of Art in the Age of its Technical Reproducibility”, a work which Adorno openly stated radically influenced his “On the Fetish-Character in Music and the Regression of Listening”.  Benjamin, late in the essay, announces that “The violation of the masses, whom Fascism, with its Führer cult, forces to their knees, has its counterpart in the violation of an apparatus which is pressed into the production of ritual values.”  This apparatus (camera or phallus?), which artificially reproduces a process that has at least come to be natural to humankind, now (re)produces reality, substituting “a space consciously explored by man” with “an unconsciously penetrated space”, opening up “a different nature”, the process of which can, apparently, only mimic that “violation of the masses” at the hand of the Führer.

Adorno puts it more clearly: “Totalitarianism and homosexuality belong together.”  Gorky had already stated it yet more clearly in 1934:

In the land where the proletariat governs courageously and successfully, homosexuality, with its corrupting effect on the young, is considered a social crime punishable under the law.  By contrast, in the “cultivated land” of the great philosophers, scholars and musicians, it is practiced freely and with impunity.  There is already a sarcastic saying: “Destroy homosexuality and fascism will disappear.”

Marxism, in this mode of analysis, acts as the cure for both homosexuality and for fascism.  For Gorky, this was no doubt due to a presumed direct relationship between the means of production and the superstructural effect of sexual expression.  For Adorno, the mysterious relationship between fascism and homosexuality expressed the structure of much, if not all, of contemporary society.  Despite his near-continual analyses of this or that phenomenon as homosexual/fascist, Adorno never quite gets to analyzing this relationship (he would later, possibly having developed a more sympathetic eye toward gay men and women, analyze this relationship in terms of repressed homosexuality (and, as the old chestnut goes, necessarily homophobia) and tendencies toward fascism, but as far as I can tell this is a turn for Adorno, something new).  Benjamin, though, is fairly more explicit: In a discussion of Futurism, he suggests that “[i]f the natural utilization of productive forces is impeded by the property system, the increase in technical devices, in speed, and in the sources of energy will press for an unnatural utilization, and this is found in war. … Instead of draining rivers, society directs a human stream into a bed of trenches; instead of dropping seeds from airplanes, it drops incendiary bombs over citites; and through gas warfare the aura is abolished in a new way.”  There is, here, a “natural utilization” for “productive forces” (and, I suggest, Benjamin was saying that this was true for all (re)productive forces) which, could be, in unnatural circumstances, pressed “for an unnatural utilization”.  The words “human stream”, “bed of trenches”, “seeds”, “bombs” underline the stakes here: This is a life or death struggle.  Not simply a struggle against the forces of death, but a choice between life – the “human stream” or “seeds” (that is, semen) – or death, first in the form of an unnatural destination for the “human stream”, and second as an unnatural replacement of that “seed” being “dropped” with “bombs”.

This theme, first mobilized around the cluster of homosexuality and fascism and, now, the military, and second around the axis of life/death is repeated in Adorno’s Minima Morlia, in the section titled “Tough Baby”.  The argument developed here, one I myself saw repeated many times while in high school, takes the form “I’m not the fag, you are!”  Adorno, apparently upset that intellectuals – and he seemed to value intellectuals as the only possible saviors for humankind – were viewed as effeminate, analyzes the cigarette-smoking, whisky-drinking “tough guy” image in terms of a presumed masochism and hidden homosexuality (like fascism and homosexuality, intimately and mysteriously connected).  Adorno, the intellectual, is gay.  It is, rather, the masochistic tough guy who is “revealed” to have homosexual impulses.  Adorno, the anti-Nietzsche, is also gay.  It is, here, the “tough guy” who attempts a nearly Nietzschean mastery of the body, of which Adorno is maybe (or likely) jealous.

Here is the cluster Adorno has, with the help of Benjamin, developed so far: homosexuality, fascism, masculinity (to which Adorno opposed a “true” – his – masculinity), the military, war, death.  It is with the fetish (which, as with Adorno’s brand of theory itself, is both Freudian and Marxist, both sexual and economic) that pop culture, and with it all culture, gets thrown in the mix.  In “On the Fetish-Character in Music”, Adorno introduces a cast of characters: the “radio ham”, who “is shy and inhibited, perhaps has no luck with girls”, “‘occupies’ himself with music in the quiet of his bedroom” and “insert[s] himself, with his private equipment, into the public mechanism”; the “listening expert” who, like a secret masturbator, “must practice the piano for hours in secret” “in nimble subordination to what the instrument demands of him”, in “agreement with everything dominant”, and “produc[ing] no resistance” to the demands of authority; and, finally, the jitterbugg(er)er, the “infantile listener” (the influence of Freudian theory of homosexuality, that homosexuality is the result of a failure to develop properly, is a clear mark here) whose “ecstasy”, which “takes possession of its object”, “is without content”, who imitate “the gestures of the sensual”, “copy[ing] the stages of sexual excitement only to make fun of them”.  The imitation here, of “true” (heterosexual) sensuality, maps both onto “false” (homosexual) imitations of sensuality and the false imitations of sensuality produced via the jitterbug.  The result is the production of “the masses”, almost always in Adorno accompanied by the adjective “passive”, who, as mentioned earlier, according to Benjamin, await their “violation” at the hands of the Führer.

Assuming for a minute that I’m right here, that Adorno’s analysis is motivated by a peculiar homophobia, a fear of the Führer-rapist’s sodomizing authority, so what?  Why care?  Other than the fun of queering texts, why bother?

  1. Adorno in particular continues to be wildly influential in cultural theory.
  2. The presumed connection between homosexuality and fascism, despite fascist atrocities against gay people, gay men particularly, continues to this day.  McCarthy, during a period where Soviet communism was presumably nearly identical with fascism in the United States, made this connection both openly and clearly when he said, “If you want to be against McCarthy, boys, you’ve got to be a Communist or a cocksucker.”  This certainly isn’t new to Adorno (Adorno wasn’t an original thinker, I think, though he was a brilliant synthesizer), and certainly not peculiar to Adorno.  Indeed, it is most readily found in fairly recent feminist theory, as Eve Sedgwick points out in her book Tendencies.
  3. To me at least, it is disturbing that, despite his openly antagonistic stance toward homosexuality (don’t forget, “Totalitarianism and homosexuality belong together.”), Adorno’s theory remains fairly popular among gay men.  While this is understandable – anyone who grew up gay in the high schools of the 1990s would likely sympathize with Adorno’s outsider position with respect to contemporary culture, as well as have an affinity with his fantasy of the tough-guy-as-closet-homosexual – it is also deeply disturbing.

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4. Adorno’s homophobia is prototypical of a larger tendency in his work: To fear, shun, mock, and mope about the Other, whether it’s gays, non-intellectuals, jazz fans, women, etc., etc. He doesn’t look upon the Other as a possibly viable alternative, or one that is viable to other people, or one he might learn something from: It is simply a threat, and one that has already done enough damage to his world (which had the potential to be the best of all possible worlds, I guess!), and which needs to be neutralized (but probably can’t be).

I don’t think much of that as a way to be, but more importantly I don’t think much of that as a way to think. You can look at someone like Marx, whose anti-Semitism is appalling, but who wasn’t entirely clouded by that (although it might have been very productive for thinking) — he still considered and reconsidered many other things, and anti-Semitism is just a blind spot for him. But gay isn’t just a blind spot for Adorno — his thinking always works like that, again and again, unable to engage with possibility, only able to drag the Sharpie of his intellect over preprinted boundary lines.

Comment by Chris

Yes, and that. Sigh. Also, you said ‘gays’. Teehee.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

Or, maybe, rather, you’re right, he does that, and it is lame, and one of the weak points in his work, probably the key weak point in his work, but the weakness of his work – and with it his worldview – isn’t why I hate it. (I can redeem parts of Kant and Sartre despite their flaws.)

It is personally offensive to me (and maybe here I’m repeating Adorno’s repeated mistake, with Adorno as my Other), and it is personally disheartening to me to hear otherwise brilliant, or at least smart enough to be interesting, (usually) young gay (usually) men apologize for this aspect of his work, or cover it up, or pretend it isn’t there, or pretend that it means something else because they want to embrace much of the rest of his work, which, and I think you’re right, though maybe I’m going to take what you said a little farther than you did, is so wrapped up in this fear of and hostility toward the Other, a fear so often wrapped up with homophobia (and here we are again), and yet a fear that (often) young gay (often) men are so ready to play with, so long as it isn’t always already aimed at them. So my hostility toward Adorno’s work is mostly because of this specific aspect of his open war on the Other (though his elitism gets me too), my first worry about it is that this sort of scapegoating, of course, remains, both in politics and in theory, and my second worry, or maybe my first crankiness, or maybe my first scoldiness, is all about the ways that Adorno’s hostility toward the Other (a hostility, I think, always aimed by Adorno at gay men, even when aimed elsewhere) is embraced by a group of people who likely have already felt that hostility when aimed at them.

Maybe this is more rambly and less thought out than my other response. I don’t know.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

First, surely elitism is just another form of hatin’ on the Other? Or, is in part another form of that? Though maybe not.

But, is the thing that gays get out of Adorno tied up in this, or not? The ones I’ve talked to claim not, though I’m not convinced… But if it isn’t, well: Can you harvest homophobes for parts? I’d say surely; if not, we are all doomed.

Oh, well, maybe you can’t, then!

Comment by Chris

Oh, yes, when I talked elitism I was talking about one of the other hates on the Other that Adorno does that particularly bugs me.

And I don’t think that you can get anything else out of Adorno. His whole project of critiquing the “culture industry”, if that’s what we’re getting out of him, is a kind of Other-hating. His anti-fascism, especially insofar as his later “psychological” typologies go, is another. As far as I can tell, anyway, it’s the only trick he knew.

And yeah, of course we can harvest homophobes for bacon parts. There’s some good stuff in Kant, right? But if the homophobe’s body is so riddled with their homophobia, maybe all we can get is an untainted toenail (I was way tempted to type “an untainted taint”), so maybe we can pick up Adorno’s penchant for snide titles, or, you know, reuse his page-numbering scheme (let x = 1; x++ until you’re done), but those don’t seem either useful or particularly attractive.

I mean, the way Adorno uses concepts seems to me a lot like making a bacon-wrapped jalapeno popper. Sure, the jalapeño and the cream cheese are vegetarian, but once you’ve wrapped the bacon around that and cooked it, it is so full of bacon grease that even if you separated the parts, neither the jalapeño nor the cream cheese are vegetarian anymore. And, I think, likewise Adorno’s concepts – this is especially apparent in “Tough Baby” where the Other he hates on is the macho guy, but the critique he offers is “you’re a big fagwad”. All, as far as I can tell, of his Other-hating is so wrapped up in his homophobia, and all of his cultural criticism is so wrapped up in his Other-hating that there’s no non-homophobic part left to his work.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

Well, I might suggest that his depression over the inevitability of living a life untainted by capitalism — and his exploration of the implications/sadnesses of that — might be read as a disgust with the Other, but that there might be better (deeper) ways to read it, and deeper ways to refute it (questions which might get closer at a sense of what is capitalism, and how do our choices of interpreting the world affect our relationship to it).

Now I am blathering, maybe.

Comment by Chris

Yes! It might! Except it always takes this damned form of a bacon-wrapped hatred of the Other! Even the essay “Music ‘n Fascism ‘n Stuff”, ostensibly about music and capitalism, devolves into this “critique” of Others! “Stars Down to Earth”, ostensibly about fascism and astrology, is a criticism of Others who like astrology! Minima Moralia is just a list of Others Adorno hates on! (Though also, admittedly, I haven’t read Negative Dialectics, which maybe is wildly different from everything I’ve read that he’s written and doesn’t make this move over and over again.)

Comment by khrushchevinlove

I dislike Adorno because he was major screw up interpreting Soren Kierkegaard

Comment by John

Adorno was, as it turns out, always already a major screw up.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

Cute censorship. Good-bye.

Comment by spinoza1111

That’s what happens when you don’t behave like a grown-up.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

You have a very strange definition of grown-up when you can reason from a student marginalia to a wild, and as I showed unfounded, charge of homophobia.

Your concept of maturity, in fact, is a normalized deviance in which you expect a grave, grown-up agreement with a deviant set of propositions, which you seek to make canonical in the “hip” register not because of their truth value but because of their id-appeal in a world in which the superego has been replaced by the employee and social control is internalized as the “cool” support for a variety of incoherent views and resentments.

Furthermore, you have a strange conception of maturity when you can from the cover of anonymity make false charges about my “behavior”, where owing to your lack of preparation to write about what you have written about when I am not anonymous.

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Nonono, see, you asserted, you didn’t show. Homophobia explained is not homophobia explained away. And if you really want my “false charges” about your behavior unfalsified, I do have all your comments to this blog archived in my email. I could easily cut and paste precisely those moments where you, as I put it, “don’t behave like a grown-up,” starting, I believe, with the first obnoxious sentence you posted here.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

I didn’t explain Adorno’s “homophobia”. He spent too little time worrying about homos to be a phobe, and his justified fear of combined physical, psychological and sexual assault by Hitler Jugend wasn’t homophobia. The fact is that Baldur von Schirach, the founder of the Hitler youth, used (American-inspired) bullying and teasing with a homosexual subtext in his youth camps to ensure ideological conformity, and Adorno endured precursors of this up to the early 1920s in the Weimar Republic.

What’s obnoxious is to call authors who you haven’t read in any depth, such as Adorno or Kant, douchebags or to say “Kant dined alone” when he was in fact in demand as a conversational partner. The obnoxiousness is in the fact that you haven’t read the text in the class.

It’s also obnoxious to so crudely use identity thinking in such an ahistorical way on Kant and Adorno: to drag them in front of an ahistorical tribunal and to hold them responsible for subordinate parts of their overall thought as if the part could represent the whole.

At times the part does represent the whole: but the very meaning of the grammar of a complex as opposed to run-on sentence is that not all parts represent the whole.

Because Kant, not only in Minima Moralia but also in Mahler: A Musical Physiognomy, speaks for the victim so typically omitted from Victim Studies 101 for Boneheads, his thought has helped gay people to realize that their “subjective” views have dignity as the viewpoint of a Subject, and that “objectivity” is the delusion, in many cases, that a report on a condition is the truth of that condition.

Cf. my essay “A Note on the Construction of Maturity” at http://spinoza1111.wordpress.com.

Comment by spinoza1111

In fine:

There is a young blogger named Krushschev in Love
Who thought to give Teddy Adorno a shove:
And thought it a joke to give him a poke.
Alas and alack, if you don’t do your homework
You’re apt to look like no end of a jerk:
And censorship, as well as the hardy perennial
“I Kant understand it: it is somebunny else’s fault, and stuff, and all”
Scarcely credit your case
And tend to blow up in your face.
Ayn Rand (brain of sand) invented this riposte:
It’s quite the thing to tell the talk show host:
Professor x is a bum, and he’s much too verbose.
The past is another country.
And in terms of le temps postmoderne
Galileo and Descartes were primitives,
And as far from being *au fait*
As Kaiser Wilhelm, or Jules Verne.
We do not look for fashionable views
In these arondissements, or these ancient mews:
Thus Adorno may have indeed shrunk from the homo,
Especially the queer who seeks to install fear
By being a jackbooted thug:
Teddy and Harvey Milk, and other queers of that latter-day ilk
Never encountered each other, not even in the dark, or in the queer park.
Therefore, argal, qed and in fine
We might say, whilst wearily sighin’,
Next time some *sitzfleisch* might behoove
That anonymous blogger, Krushschev in love.

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And you still haven’t learned. Come back sometime when you have some manners.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

What with calling philosophers douche bags, sexual fantasies about Joe Stalin, removing posts, and making wild claims, I won’t be accepting any lectures from you on “manners”. I’m sure there’s a way to block me, but you have such poor manners you preferred censorship and the last word.

I’ve said you’re wrong, and I’ve politely said why: Adorno didn’t mean by “melancholy” the reverse of “gay” in the modern sense, and in “tough guy” in Minima Moralia, he accuses the Tough Guy, not of outed homosexuality, but of a secret “effeminancy”: the “tough guy” a dangerous closet case. This isn’t homophobia.

You’ve shown no manners at all. I’m sure there’s a way to block me here, but you prefer the Tough Guy’s last word and the implied censure of censorship. Your conception of manners excludes brisk critique based on actual texts, as opposed to Politically Correct fantasizing about juvenalia and marginalia.

Comment by spinoza1111

1. Which philosophers have I called douche bags? I did call Solzhenitsyn a douche in response to one of your earlier comments, though I wouldn’t call him a philosopher. Maybe that’s what you’re thinking of.
2. Where did I say that Adorno used ‘melancholy’ in the reverse of the modern ‘gay’? The cut and paste function would work marvellously for answering this question.
3. Where did I say Adorno accused the Tough Guy of outed homosexuality, whatever exactly that means?

Comment by khrushchevinlove

You’re stalling for time. You accused Adorno of homophobia based on one passage, and your pronouncements that you “hate” philosophers are themselves proof that you’re no philosopher. I’m not going to do your moral inventory for you. Your posts on Adorno and Kant are necessarily straw men roasts, because if you “hate” an author, (1) you don’t read him or you don’t read him enough, therefore (2) you haven’t read “the text in the class” and are (cf. (1)) not qualified to speak on the author.

It’s not incumbent on me to go over ground we’ve gone over. Instead, its incumbent on you to apologise for censoring my comments.

Comment by spinoza1111

Yeah, how dare you accuse someone of something based on something they’ve said!

Comment by Chris

So you’ve made three accusations about me that you refuse to back up with any evidence, and yet you expect me to take anything you say here as anything more than the textual public masturbation that it clearly is? If you want to seriously discuss Kant and Adorno, by all means come back. If all you want to do is ejaculate onto my blog, please leave.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

I’m not going to reply to your demand that we go over ground already visited because it’s a time wasting gesture, and here, I am subject to censorship; to have a record of what I say, I have to make a copy since you have a nasty habit of removing replies when unable, or unqualified, to answer.

You are making the issue my “behavior” because you’re unqualified to discuss Adorno or Kant, where understanding Kant is necessary for understanding Adorno and in neither case is “hatred” a thought.

The game is adopting a pseudo-adult posture.

Nor does it seem to me that you have an underlying factual comprehension of history adequate to contextualizing Adorno.

If you have anything constructive to say, please do so as a comment to my posts on this matter at spinoza1111.wordpress.com. I don’t censor there as you do here, nor will I be subject to censorship. I won’t reply here to your time wasting demands, but I will reply there to those demands if you repeat them there.

Comment by spinoza1111

Quote:
As Kauffmann notes in his introduction to The Gay Science, it is “no accident that the homosexuals as well as Nietzsche opted for ‘gay’ rather than ‘cheerful’” because it “has overtones of a light-hearted defiance of convention; it suggests Nietzsche’s ‘immoralism’ and his ‘revaluation of values.’”

What an odd statement. “fröhlich” can be translated to both “gay” (in the sense of “joyful”) or “joyful”, but it does not mean “gay” in the sense of sexuality, since one would then use the word “schwul”. So it’s not like Nietzsche chose the word “fröhlich” because of a double-meaning that only exists in English.

Comment by negative potential

Sure, but read again, and more carefully this time: The claim that “Nietzsche chose the word ‘fröhlich’ because of a double-meaning that only exists in English” was never made. Rather, the claim is that Nietzsche chose ‘fröhlich’ for the same reason homosexuals chose ‘gay’, because both have “overtones of a light-hearted defiance of convention”. Kauffman uses that point to argue for translating ‘fröhlich’ as ‘gay’ when moving from German to English.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

I think you are wrong there.

“Sexualization

The word had started to acquire associations of immorality by 1637[1] and was used in the late 17th century with the meaning “addicted to pleasures and dissipations.”[6] This was by extension from the primary meaning of “carefree”: implying “uninhibited by moral constraints.” A gay woman was a prostitute, a gay man a womanizer and a gay house a brothel.[1]”

that a very different set of meaning from “fröhlich”. I’d say that “gay” isn’t necessarily the best translation, and so some of your argumentation rests an a questionable wordplay

Comment by bigmouth

bigmouth,
Is your argument that because ‘gay’ and ‘fröhlich’ don’t have identical sets of meanings, one cannot legitimately translate from one to the other, working with a shared subset of meanings? Because that seems obviously problematic for translators everywhere.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

well, you are not “working with a shared subset of meanings”, but with a connotation only the English word has imho. to me, Kaufmann seems to be wrong on 2 different topics:

a) gays chose (if there actually was an act of choosing, I’m not sure) the word gay not so much because of “light-hearted defiance of convention”, but because of it already established sexual meaning

b) that “fröhlich” actual has a comparable connotation. and it doesn’t, at least not for me, and German is my birth language. I’d say that “merry” or “jolly” would be a better translation

Kaufmann and other translators obviously arrived at their error because Nietzsche uses the provencial (or french?) subtitle “la gaya scienza” – which makes picking out “gay” as a translation obvious. but it’s still not a very good one

Comment by bigmouth

I’m not sure how your concern that “‘fröhlich’ actually has a comparable [sexual] connotation” is related to what I’ve written. Could you point out where I’ve made that etymological jump?

Comment by khrushchevinlove

Nikita, you’re playing a silly game with bigmouth that you played with me in which your tactic is to reply “I do not see how concept x is related to concept y, or what I have written considered as concept y”.

I’d say that OF COURSE “frohlich”’s connotations would be quite germane.

But more than this, everything has everything to do with everything else, and the question reduces to how much or in what way…perhaps not even “how much” because that would quantify a qualitative assertion. To say “I do not see the relation” is a dullard’s reply masquerading as an (unearned) skepticism.

Comment by spinoza1111

Once again, you’re misstating my “tactic” which, here (as with you), simply amounts to a question as to where I have supposedly made the relevant assertion. The things that the two of you claim I have said were certainly unintended, if what I’ve written supports them at all. So I’d like to see where you two see it.

Comment by khrushchevinlove

Here’s my reply to spinoza1111 in his own blog (it has not passed moderation yet):

What I find fascinating about your defence of Adorno is that you on the one hand apologise for his attack on homosexuality and on the other hand reproduce the attack. You excuse his bleak mythology of homosexuality by pointing out that it was culturally normative at the time, then revive that mythology in the form of “closet case” Nazis and bully boys.

So which is it? Was Adorno wrong to postulate the mysterious connection between fascism and homosexuality criticised by Krushschev in Love, or was he merely reacting to an actual homosexuality of fascism?

My diagnosis of the vapid homophobia among the leftist intelligentsia is simply this: in the figure of the homosexual fascist the left discovered a means of legitimising its own oppressive tendency towards homosexuals. The figure of the homosexual fascist in other words provided a way to conceptualise left totalitarianism as the very opposite of totalitarianism, as legitimate opposition to totalitarianism. Never forget that Hitler used the same smoke and mirrors to portray the Jew as a legitimate target for persecution.

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